(This is the fifth in a series on the testimony of the child accusers)
When we looked at Perjury Central yesterday, we saw Sandra Lamb's daughter go into the interview complaining about Tonya Craft's daughter, and then we saw how Children's Advocacy Center "interviewer" Stacey Long tried to manipulate the interview to where the child would implicate Ms. Craft. She was having limited success, although her suggestive "No?" seemed to signal to the girl that she was NOT giving the answers that Long wanted to hear.
Between the first and second interviews, the child talked to her mother, and when you read the transcript of what transpired, you will notice that the girl's answers now start to move in a different direction. However, even that was not enough for Long, who asks more suggestive and leading questions in an attempt to get the kind of information necessary to help frame Tonya Craft for child molestation.
There will be other surprises as well. I highlight some notable passages and add comments where they are relevant. This interview also takes place May 27, 2008:
ACCUSER #1: Miss Tonya made me touch her back.
ACCUSER #1: She made me touch her right up here (indicating).
STACEY: Okay. Like on top of her clothes or under her clothes or what?
ACCUSER #1: On top.
[It is clear that she is telling a very different story than she did in the first interview]
ACCUSER #1: She told me to touch her. And I didn’t want to, but she told me that I had to.
STACEY: What did she want you to touch her with?
ACCUSER #1: My hand.
STACEY: Did she want you to move your hand or keep it still?
ACCUSER #1: Keep it still.
STACEY: Okay. Did she want you to touch her anywhere else?
ACCUSER #1: Huh-uh (moves head from side to side)
STACEY: Or was you too scared to talk about it or what? [asking why Accuser #1 didn’t say this before]
ACCUSER #1: I forgot.
[She forgot? Or did she and her mother after meeting decide to embellish the story?]
ACCUSER #1: And a little bit scared.
ACCUSER #1: She told me I had to or I – or I had to go home. [had to touch Tonya]
STACEY: And that was only – did that happen just one time or did it happen more than once?
ACCUSER #1: Once.
STACEY: Okay. And that was the only place she wanted you to touch?
ACCUSER #1: Uh-huh.
STACEY: Or how old were you?
ACCUSER #1: Be 5 or 6. I don’t know.
STACEY: Was it when you were in kindergarten?
ACCUSER #1: (Moves head up and down)
ACCUSER #1: Well, my friend was selling these cards. And Miss Tonya told her no, she didn’t want any cards.
ACCUSER #1: I get to go to a spa today.
STACEY: You’re just going to get all pampered, huh?
ACCUSER #1: (Moves head up and down)
[So, she receives a reward for giving Stacey the answers she wants to hear?]
STACEY: I don’t blame you. I would, too. You and your mom?
[Accuser #1 is marking on an anatomical drawing showing where she ‘had to touch’ Tonya]
ACCUSER #1: I want to put a star (marks on paper).
STACEY: Was it two spots?
ACCUSER #1: No. I just wanted to put a star.
[This child supposedly is "disclosing" about being molested by an adult, yet she calmly is coloring on the anatomical drawing WITH A YELLOW CRAYON -- so much for yellow driving this child to fear -- and wanting to put stars on it. Readers who are familiar with how children deal with real molestation stories might be suspicious to see a youngster acting in such a cavalier fashion while "disclosing" stories with horrible details.]
[Stacey goes out of the room and talks to someone, comes back in and says:]
STACEY: --did you ever, like, take a bath over there?
[Bath was NOT brought up by Accuser #1]
ACCUSER #1: She always – like, Miss Tonya gave me a bath. She would always rub me right here and right here (indicating).
[Readers who are suspicious have a right to be. To whom did Long speak during the break, and since Accuser #1 had never mentioned a bath, why did Long ask the question in the first place?]
STACEY: Okay. And what part is that, that she would rub?
ACCUSER #1: (indicating)
STACEY: What do you call that?
ACCUSER #1: Private.
STACEY: Okay. Was it normal when she washed you? I mean, was it like Mom washes you or –
ACCUSER #1: (Moves head from side to side).
STACEY: What was different about it?
ACCUSER #1: She would scrub me real hard.
STACEY: Okay. But did she have a washcloth?
ACCUSER #1: Yes.
STACEY: Okay. All right. When she would wash you, did she wash, like, in between your legs too, on your private?
ACCUSER #1: Huh-uh. (Moves head from side to side)
STACEY: Or did you wash that part yourself?
ACCUSER #1: Huh-uh (Moves head from side to side)
STACEY: Did that part get washed?
ACCUSER #1: (Moves head from side to side)
STACEY: Okay. Do you understand what I’m saying?
ACCUSER #1: Yeah.
STACEY: Because you were talking about like, on the top of your private.
ACCUSER #1: Yeah.
Thus, we now see that the stories have changed, and the child has earned a trip to a spa. Long has managed to finagle an account of an adult molesting a child. Remember, it began because some little girls were playing "doctor" with each other, and their parents caught and punished them.
It also is clear that Long was on a mission to implicate Tonya Craft, and she and Sandra Lamb and the others were going to figure a way to do it, even if it took a combination of using both extremely suggestive questioning and the promise of rewards for "correct" answers. Yet, this interview is not the end of the accusations, as we shall see when I post the interview that Accuser #1 had with Suzi Thorne on June 4, 2008.
Again, we are speaking about adults asking young children leading questions, and then making it clear that these girls were NOT giving "correct" answers until they made claims against Ms. Craft. Young girls desire to please the adults in their lives, and it is obvious from this line of questioning that the only answers the adults would accept were those that make Tonya Craft out to be a child molester.
Of course, when people are trying to pull off a frame, they had better get their stories straight, and the LMJC prosecutors and their partners at the CAC were not up to the task. For example, it was Long who brought up the bath (after taking a break), not Accuser #1. This is significant because after a while the child would claim that Tonya not only molested her, but also her own daughter as well as another child -- all at the same time.
To make matters worse, when detectives interviewed other children and parents who often were at Ms. Craft's home, those people said that Accuser #1 NEVER took a bath there. (Of course, the contradictions plus that rather convenient fact that the idea for "molestation while bathing" came from Long and not any children, Chris Arnt and Len Gregor made a big deal of it during the trial.
As we shall see in our next post, the stories that Accuser #1 continue to escalate after Suzi Thorne interviews her next. The CAC/GreenHouse gang had a "disclosure," and they were going to take it and run.